forced induction ?s

[dudepal]

well today is the day that i come off as a noob again... i dont know anything about forced induction and im getting ready to build an 2.0t. it has 10:1 compression and i know thats not a low enough compression ratio for a lot of boost. ok basically anyone that has any info or pointers/knowledge of turbo motors plas help!
i have a garrett t3 turbo, cast manifold, manual boost controller, forge bov, fmic, and a few other tid bits already. i plan on going with c2 managment. also brian has a 268 cam i was considering putting in but iv heard that cams and boost dont always work together... so anyone that could help clear that up would also help.
ok well im gonna stop rambling... HELP! :D

[Dubtuner]

Boost and Cam = just fine tons of people do it and high compression is fine given enough pull in timing. With c2 though its probly not gonna happen but if you use standalone it would be fine. if your worried about compression just get a head spacer if they have em for aba's. Also you need to figure out how much power the stock rods can handle and if you are planning on going above that a big inspiration for you should be the bfi killer bee build or whatever they call it.

Edit: Also no BOV with c2 software you have to use a DV

[65dunebuggy]

rods would be a must especially if your already going to install pistons plus your already in there

[Black86gti]

im assuming your going aba turbo and i think i saw you got a OBDI block and if thats the case. drop a head gasket spacer on the motor with some arp head bolts and grab c2's 42# chip for the aba and let her rip.

[lenny]

Depends on what the overlap of the cam is. Lift and duration is cool and it'll put your power band more up in the rev range (which is where a T3 will spool) meaning you'll be delivering more air at the correct time. However, stock cams will suffice (don't mean to bag brian at all), but you'd get more HP on a tune that's designed to run on a certain lift/duration. If you thought timing, fuel trim levels, knock, and o2 sensor readings were important on NA motors you're correct, but it's a whole new ballgame where 1.0 difference in A/F ratio on a boosted motor can make a 15% difference in power. Good luck
-Dan

[MurA1]

10:1 is fine as long as you keep your boost under control. If you can't control your boost and it spikes, you'll have problems!

Don't worry about being a noob about this kind of stuff. The more questions you ask the more you will know and be confident about your build. I'm a little nervous myself about my ABA-T build. But I know I have a good mentor to help me through it.

[OrangeDUB]

Ryan you should edit your post to create an online parts list to add parts people say you will need as well..

-arp head studs

-beer

-cigars

[Turbo_powered]

Boost and Cam = just fine tons of people do it and high compression is fine given enough pull in timing. With c2 though its probly not gonna happen but if you use standalone it would be fine. if your worried about compression just get a head spacer if they have em for aba's. Also you need to figure out how much power the stock rods can handle and if you are planning on going above that a big inspiration for you should be the bfi killer bee build or whatever they call it.

Edit: Also no BOV with c2 software you have to use a DV

I'm not gonna swear to it but i believe the original build of the Killer Bee was made on stock Internals. here the Vwvortex addy for it.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3848345

Here's the sight to the 2nd round of upgrades they did.
http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=3891484

[dudepal]

thanks guys... ill be looking into all this and deciding what to do.

[dudepal]

if im making 240+hp i will prob need a better clutch wont i? will a stock trans do the job or will i need a lsd? also does anyone know a good place to get my block re-sleeved and my head gone over for a reasonable price? more ?s to come

[Turbo_powered]

if im making 240+hp i will prob need a better clutch wont i? will a stock trans do the job or will i need a lsd? also does anyone know a good place to get my block re-sleeved and my head gone over for a reasonable price? more ?s to come

Around here. Performance Concepts in Marion would do it and there's another place out on 16th Ave SW but the name eludes me right now. 240+hp would need atleast a stage 1 clutch kit. You can look on www.ecstuning.com and it should tell you what kit will handle what ammount of power. Youre hp's not gonna be the major problem anyways. It'll be the torque.

2.slo clutch kit. http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_III--2.0/Drivetrain/Clutch/

VR6 clutch kit. Just incase you'd decide to use a tranny out of one of those. Prolly have to ask Andy if that'd work. http://www.ecstuning.com/Volkswagen-Golf_III--VR6_12v/Drivetrain/Clutch/

[MurA1]

Why do you want the block re sleeved? Are the cylinders that bad that a hone won't due?

[dudepal]

oh well this is my first motor build... i wasnt sure the exact terms, they arent bad i just wanted them gone over so i guess hone is what i meant. http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/150.gif (http://www.cool-smileys.com/smiley-that-says-noob)
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[Turbo_powered]

oh well this is my first motor build... i wasnt sure the exact terms, they arent bad i just wanted them gone over so i guess hone is what i meant. http://www.cool-smileys.com/images/150.gif (http://www.cool-smileys.com/smiley-that-says-noob)
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It's cool brah.. You'll get it all figured out. I'd suggest using these.. Very good price and a quality part. http://www.germanautoparts.com/Volkswagen/Golf/Engine/12/3

[Dubtuner]

I would suggest lsd although not necessary but you will want it for sure. Also if it were my car i would ditch that cable clutch shit and put in an 02A from an early passat or G60 raddo but you could get by just fine with a cable shift. You could also cheap out and instead of an lsd get the shim kits that are out their and an arp bolt kit. I believe the early trans are good to about 350hp if im not mistaken. Also for clutches hit me up with your power goals and what you decide on transmissions and i can hook you up on a southbend clutch if you would like. Unless your cylinders are real bad you should be fine with just a hone (mic it and check specs) but make sure you read up on using one and dont go over board or sit in one spot to long as you could do more damage than good. Everything you do really depends on your budget might be a good idea to make a list of everything than put what is most important to you at the top and make sure to always allocate extra cash for the stupid bullshit that either breaks or things you forgot about nuts and bolts etc....

[dudepal]

well on my current budget ill prob be going with a 80% shim kit, do they have those for 02a trans? i found an 02a on eurowerks, and i wouldnt mind getting it, but idk what all i need to get to convert to hydraulic clutch? i am attempting to do this on a budget. if i can get by with an 020 w/80% shim kit ill prob be doing that. i dont wee myself going over 350hp i think 300hp will kinda be my ceiling.
also andy a list is being compiled in order of priority, thats how ill be doing it from now on. gotta make sure i get this done with the $$ i have

[Dubtuner]

You would need a bunch of stuff so I would stick with the o2o probly you would need the clutch master, slave, lines, shifter box with cables, and pedal assembly also clutch and flywheel

[Turbo_powered]

Not to be a dick but I think your HP wants are a little too high. Realistically. Your prolly gonna be around 250hp. If you look at the BFI Killer Bee build they're only puttin out 286hp and they've got around $10,000 (cost of car included) wrapped up in that car. Your turbos not that big. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you can't achieve 300-350hp. With enough $ you can do anything you want. I just think it'll be easier to source parts if you consider what your building and how much $ you have to spend. I'm still happy to help ya any way I can though. :)

[Turbo_powered]

Find a junked mk3 vr6 and pull the power brake booster and the brake master cylinder. Thatll help with a hydraulic clutch if that's what you want.

[lenny]

Around here. Performance Concepts in Marion would do it and there's another place out on 16th Ave SW

Sperry's . Horn Automotive isn't bad either. Neither is D&R
-Dan

[Dubtuner]

also the guy who did everything for me is a great machinist but you pay for it a bit.... money well spent though i wont take anything anywhere else again except maybe somewhere that does cnc porting on a vr head or other vw heads

[dudepal]

Not to be a dick but I think your HP wants are a little too high. Realistically. Your prolly gonna be around 250hp. If you look at the BFI Killer Bee build they're only puttin out 286hp and they've got around $10,000 (cost of car included) wrapped up in that car. Your turbos not that big. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying you can't achieve 300-350hp. With enough $ you can do anything you want. I just think it'll be easier to source parts if you consider what your building and how much $ you have to spend. I'm still happy to help ya any way I can though. :)

oh its cool, i agree 250hp is prob where ill be. im just planning for more :D idk what the future will bring. i dont wanna have to redo any of this stuff if i go with a bigger turbo later.

dan i forgot about sperry, ill prob go there they do really good work for a good price. ill call them this weekend see whats up.

[Turbo_powered]

oh its cool, i agree 250hp is prob where ill be. im just planning for more :D idk what the future will bring. i dont wanna have to redo any of this stuff if i go with a bigger turbo later.

dan i forgot about sperry, ill prob go there they do really good work for a good price. ill call them this weekend see whats up.

Speery. Thats the place I couldn't think of.

[Nihad]

your going to spend alot of money.. I am sure your stock sleeves can take 250+whp..

[KooK]

Just do a 1.8t swap or something, get the 2.0 out of there and do it right.

[Black86gti]

i vote no to sperry. had bad luck with a head and have friends that have had bad luck with them.

D&R did my G60 and the bottom end for my VR6 great guys to work with but probably the most expensive.

Horn ive had them do a few cyl heads import/ domestic. they did my VR head turn around time is way better than D&R when it comes to bottom end stuff both seem to turn cyl heads around quick

[dudepal]

your going to spend alot of money.. I am sure your stock sleeves can take 250+whp..

your prob right, i def need the head gone through.

[dudepal]

ok more ?s, i am going to use a head gasket spacer to lower my compression. iv also heard stacking 2 oem head gaskets will do the same... does anyone have any experience with either. tyler i know you said to get a spacer, can you recommend a quality brand?

[lenny]

ok more ?s, i am going to use a head gasket spacer to lower my compression. iv also heard stacking 2 oem head gaskets will do the same... does anyone have any experience with either. tyler i know you said to get a spacer, can you recommend a quality brand?

Kinetic Motorsports

http://www.kineticmotorsport.com/catalog/HEAD_SPACERS-302-1.html

[Dubtuner]

kinetic or c2 let me know if you want either shit they may even be the same spacer

[Black86gti]

kinetic or c2 let me know if you want either shit they may even be the same spacer

That's what i was thinking for some reason i think maybe c2 makes the spacer and kinetic sells it but it might be the other way around. oh and you should go rob the 02a thats is/was in a passat at k's acres every thing was still in place when i last saw it. i think a stock 02a would stay together at 250whp. other wise start buying 020's

[OrangeDUB]

BUY BUY BUY

http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=4668537

[Dubtuner]

not sure what he would use the injectors for though i guess i would probly take em as he needs 42lbs injectors if he wants 42lb software and i just looked on pricing for software with a cam file and dropped compression for aba and its 300 bucks from c2 so even cheaper if i get it :D